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Old 08-25-2011, 09:19 PM
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All ours too. -- and the 'vette came from the factory with full synthetic.
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Hey Crash, did you say : «they would bend over backwards for me»?... That sounds very to me... I hope they won't bend over for me... lol!
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Lol, I said backwards not forward. Any way the service manager was a woman and I would have let her bend any which way she liked. Now thats what I call owner appreciation.
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Lol, I said backwards not forward. Any way the service manager was a woman and I would have let her bend any which way she liked. Now thats what I call owner appreciation.
LOL, 'bending' for that kind of service is quite understandable.
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A few weeks ago I went to the Ford dealer for an oil change and ask if they had synthetic oil... They don't. But the technical advisor didn't recommend it to me for our car. He said that the gas doesn't mix with mineral oil and remains on surface. When we start the car, the fact that the synthetic oil doesn't mix with the gas would prematurely use the bearings. He told me that race cars do not use synthetic oil and if they do they change it every race.
I don't know much about cars beside driving them, so please don't be too rude on me if it sounds stupid...
He also told me that once you start putting in synthetic oil, you need to change oil at the same frequency as regular oil and if so, there shouldn't be problems (which is contradictory of his initial statement).
Last thing, he told me that once you convert to synthetic oil, you can't go back to regular oil.
So, what do you guys think?
I know that many of you run on synthetic and haven't had any issues... but does what he is saying make any sense?
Thank you again for your input, I need to do an oil change soon and am hesitating if it is worth it at all to go on the synthetic road. At least he told me that as long as the oil change are done regularly, the use of synthetic oil doesn't affect the warranty. So, there is no major risks other than spending money for nothing and not being able to go back to regular (that aspect is more for when I will sell the car, but it is in a few years anyway).
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Old 08-26-2011, 11:26 AM
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Wow! that is a lot of info!!! Thank you very much... As much as I spend a lot of time on this forum or driving my car... I honestly don't have much interest in mechanic... That is why I like to rely on specialist to do things on my car, so I just need to drive it and enjoy it. That said, it is hard to find someone you can trust and is knowledgeable and not too expensive, so I guess in order to protect myself against bad mechanics or recommendations, I should read more about it... in this case, I should read all those oil lessons... but I am a lazy bastards!
Thanks anyways, I will really try my best to find the motivation to read it once and for all.... Maybe if I print it and leave it over the trone... lol!
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Lol, I said backwards not forward. Any way the service manager was a woman and I would have let her bend any which way she liked. Now thats what I call owner appreciation.
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Once I track down all my issues on my '95 ATX I am going to be using Royal Purple. At just over 189,500 miles on my engine I owe it to this exotic red head to feed her right. The purple color is just a dye and will wear out of the oil in a small amount of time.

You can go from conventional to full synthetic oil and be fine. You can also go from full synthetic to conventional and be fine. If you do either you MUST change your filter. You just shouldn't mix conventional and synthetic together and run them together... meaning if you are low on oil and run synthetic, do not top of with conventional or vice versa.

Taken from Royal Purples web site:

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"How many miles can I go between oil changes?

Royal Purple suggests adhering to manufacturer’s recommended oil change intervals for vehicles under warranty using its API-licensed2 SAE engine oils. With Royal Purple HPS, drain intervals may be extended to 12,000 miles (20,000 Km) or one year, whichever occurs first in street-driven, mechanically-sound vehicles. For guidelines specific to your vehicle, we recommend contacting our technical department at rpautotech@royalpurple.com."
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O, sorry about that. I never opened up that site, just thought I would add info. Didn't think I was repeating...lol
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We had a similar discussion over on the Flex message board regarding oil filters, oils and oil weights. Some good links were posted in the thread (some repeated here already), but for anyone interested, might be worth a look too:

http://www.fordflex.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2185

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One of the few SHOs I saw when I was a service advisor at a Ford dealer had a complete cheapskate for an owner. I tried to sell him on the full synthetic citing that he has a high performance engine with a turbo. Guy passed and checked for the $19.95 oil change (which pssst, we didn't use Motorcraft 5w20 for, it was actually some off brand 10w30) and when it came to a tire rotation as dictated in his service manual, he passed again. I can't wonder about the priorities of some people that'll pony up for a large purchase and then skimp on the maintenance. The guy gripped about the 10% shop fee and then had the nerve to ask if we'd wash his car while walking him over to the cashier.

All these rides below feature full synthetic oil in their engines.
How about a little off topic:

I've just re-read this thread b/c someone 'brought it back' and I must say I'm a little miffed:

Wow.......so that really does happen at some dealerships. hmmm

Pardon me for being so naive -- but that stinks big time. -- and dealerships are trying to build trust and reputation to convince people they're getting their money's worth.

Total Fail -- a big minus 1 for dealerships. -- Not all of them but certainly one's that condone that activity.

Thanks for being honest at least and thanks for the warning. If I ever have to go back to a dealership, I'll be even more vigilant from now on.
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How about a little off topic:

I've just re-read this thread b/c someone 'brought it back' and I must say I'm a little miffed:

Wow.......so that really does happen at some dealerships. hmmm

Pardon me for being so naive -- but that stinks big time. -- and dealerships are trying to build trust and reputation to convince people they're getting their money's worth.

Total Fail -- a big minus 1 for dealerships. -- Not all of them but certainly one's that condone that activity.

Thanks for being honest at least and thanks for the warning. If I ever have to go back to a dealership, I'll be even more vigilant from now on.
Very vigilant.
Local dealership has a lift right in the customer service area where you pull in... they do the oil changes right there! So you can see EXACTLY what they are putting into your vehicle!
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I've just re-read this thread b/c someone 'brought it back' and I must say I'm a little miffed:

Wow.......so that really does happen at some dealerships. hmmm

Pardon me for being so naive -- but that stinks big time. -- and dealerships are trying to build trust and reputation to convince people they're getting their money's worth.

Total Fail -- a big minus 1 for dealerships. -- Not all of them but certainly one's that condone that activity.

Thanks for being honest at least and thanks for the warning. If I ever have to go back to a dealership, I'll be even more vigilant from now on.
Very vigilant.

I think you misread the post you quoted. The dealer tried to get him to do the full synthetic oil change, which is what is highly recommended, and the owner refused and went for the cheapest variety possible. That's not the dealer's fault. In fact, I credit that poster for trying to do the owner right, but in the end the owner is always right, even if he's wrong.

I took my Mustang in for an oil change a few months ago in Eau Claire, WI, and while they spelled my name completely wrong and ignored the TSB I told them to check for (in the end, not a big deal), they worked with me quite closely on the oil change, and they knew before I told them that mine takes 8 quarts.

I ended up paying about $90 for the oil change and tire rotation, which seems like a lot, but that was my first 8 quart oil change! Overall, it was a good experience.

They had a GT500 in the lot that looked pretty good. The service manager saw me ogling it and asked me if I wanted to trade up . I said thanks, but I liked mine plenty. He noted that he'd never seen one so fully loaded and he probably wouldn't trade either.

The tech that drove it away for the service bay also clearly knew how to drive a manual, which was nice. I always worry about that.

I know I'm going off-topic here, but the point of the story is not all dealers are evil. Some are all right. Of course, everybody in Eau Claire seems pretty nice. I guess that's why I married a girl from there.
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Old 10-16-2011, 12:47 PM
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I think you misread the post you quoted. The dealer tried to get him to do the full synthetic oil change, which is what is highly recommended, and the owner refused and went for the cheapest variety possible. That's not the dealer's fault. In fact, I credit that poster for trying to do the owner right, but in the end the owner is always right, even if he's wrong.

I took my Mustang in for an oil change a few months ago in Eau Claire, WI, and while they spelled my name completely wrong and ignored the TSB I told them to check for (in the end, not a big deal), they worked with me quite closely on the oil change, and they knew before I told them that mine takes 8 quarts.

I ended up paying about $90 for the oil change and tire rotation, which seems like a lot, but that was my first 8 quart oil change! Overall, it was a good experience.

They had a GT500 in the lot that looked pretty good. The service manager saw me ogling it and asked me if I wanted to trade up . I said thanks, but I liked mine plenty. He noted that he'd never seen one so fully loaded and he probably wouldn't trade either.

The tech that drove it away for the service bay also clearly knew how to drive a manual, which was nice. I always worry about that.

I know I'm going off-topic here, but the point of the story is not all dealers are evil. Some are all right. Of course, everybody in Eau Claire seems pretty nice. I guess that's why I married a girl from there.

.......and to continue the off topic:

Having re-read Denny's post, yes I mis-read it. (and apologies for doing so and pointing the finger inappropriately --my bad)

PM sent to Denny to rectify.

I think you know me well enough by now to figure that I give credit where credit is due and it appears that credit was due in this case.

Like you I've been to dealerships and had good and bad experiences -- so yes not all dealerships are bad -- I believe I gave no such impression. Much kudos to those who are good and they are out there.

Thanks for pointing that out Hawkeye -- I wouldn't have wanted this left unresolved.

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BTW Steve, I've used synthetic oils since I can't remember when, and believe that they are superior as advertised and tested.
There are some out there that don't believe in synthetics and feel it to be a waste of money or unnecessary. To each his own.

FWIW my new 'Vette came with Mobil 1 installed and recommended on refills.
I believe many cars do now come with synthetics installed at the factory.

If memory serves, the 'vette requires 5W30 and the SHO requires 5W20 and I'll stay with Mobil1 on both cars and believe that it will serve me well.

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Their tq drive synthetic atf is amazing. Just did that to the z last night. Gonna put some in my 89 see if it helps my wearing synchro
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I'm leery of Amsoil. I'm sure it's just coincidence but I have a friend who just became an Amsoil dealer. He installed it in his 2003 F-150 and within 1000 miles the engine had a nasty tapping to it. He was trying to convince me to start using Amsoil in my SHO, that is until his engine started making noises. He traded the F-150 off on a new 2011 F-150.

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BTW Steve, I've used synthetic oils since I can't remember when, and believe that they are superior as advertised and tested.
There are some out there that don't believe in synthetics and feel it to be a waste of money or unnecessary. To each his own.

FWIW my new 'Vette came with Mobil 1 installed and recommended on refills.
I believe many cars do now come with synthetics installed at the factory.

If memory serves, the 'vette requires 5W30 and the SHO requires 5W20 and I'll stay with Mobil1 on both cars and believe that it will serve me well.

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I converted to synthetic about 4K miles ago with Royal Purple 5W30. I will switch to 5W20 for the winter. So far, I am pleased and the car does run very well... In fact I had another best yesterday. i will post the results under the At the drag section shortly... ; )
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I converted to synthetic about 4K miles ago with Royal Purple 5W30. I will switch to 5W20 for the winter. So far, I am pleased and the car does run very well... In fact I had another best yesterday. i will post the results under the At the drag section shortly... ; )
Ah, the joys of cooler weather. Can't wait to see the results.

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I saw the PM and I was confused. I did not follow up on the thread. However, here's a caveat. When it comes to oil changes, you get what you pay for. It's been a while since I've been out of Ford Motor Co. and months since the dealer. There is something about the service department is not required to use Motorcraft oil. However, the Quick Lane whether on the dealer site or off is required to use Motorcraft. At the current pricing of Motorcraft, unless the dealer is using it as a loss-leader there is no way they come out ahead at $19.95, heck even $29.95 is pushing it. We had a few menu options. A $19.95 "coupon" that was always available. The $29.95 conventional oil change. $39.95 for oil change with an oil "additive." And a full synthetic oil change at $69.95 (up to 5 quarts because as pointed out, today's Ford engines will take anywhere from 4-8 quarts!).

Oh, the dealership was pretty evil. But not because of using the cheapest oil available.

I just like using synthetic because the extra money on it is worth it to me. I do my own oil changes so I'm not paying shop retail of $10 a quart or whatever they're up to nowadays. In fact I've been pretty lucky this year. I scored 13 quarts of Motorcraft Synthetic 5w20 earlier that was discontinued at a local Advance for like $1.something a quart. The last time I week to Target to purchase some Mobil 1 5w30 and brought in a Pep Boys ad where they had them listed for $5.00. I found a case and brought it over to customer service. They scanned the barcode on the box and it came up as 1 bottle. I advised the manager that there are 6 in the case and we could open up the box; I just wanted the price match. Manager looked at it and said "oh well here's a better deal" and just charged me for 1 quart. Took that deal and ran.

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I saw the PM and I was confused. I did not follow up on the thread. However, here's a caveat. When it comes to oil changes, you get what you pay for. It's been a while since I've been out of Ford Motor Co. and months since the dealer. There is something about the service department is not required to use Motorcraft oil. However, the Quick Lane whether on the dealer site or off is required to use Motorcraft. At the current pricing of Motorcraft, unless the dealer is using it as a loss-leader there is no way they come out ahead at $19.95, heck even $29.95 is pushing it. We had a few menu options. A $19.95 "coupon" that was always available. The $29.95 conventional oil change. $39.95 for oil change with an oil "additive." And a full synthetic oil change at $69.95 (up to 5 quarts because as pointed out, today's Ford engines will take anywhere from 4-8 quarts!).

Oh, the dealership was pretty evil. But not because of using the cheapest oil available.

I just like using synthetic because the extra money on it is worth it to me. I do my own oil changes so I'm not paying shop retail of $10 a quart or whatever they're up to nowadays. In fact I've been pretty lucky this year. I scored 13 quarts of Motorcraft Synthetic 5w20 earlier that was discontinued at a local Advance for like $1.something a quart. The last time I week to Target to purchase some Mobil 1 5w30 and brought in a Pep Boys ad where they had them listed for $5.00. I found a case and brought it over to customer service. They scanned the barcode on the box and it came up as 1 bottle. I advised the manager that there are 6 in the case and we could open up the box; I just wanted the price match. Manager looked at it and said "oh well here's a better deal" and just charged me for 1 quart. Took that deal and ran.
I'm always on the scan for cheap Mobil1 -- usually goes on sale at our PartSource (like your PepBoys) so I stock up when it does go on.
Like doing my own changes too just to keep my hand in it and save a few $$$.

Can't say I ever got as lucky as you did at PepBoys tho-- 6 for 1 ain't too shabby at all.
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Ford only started using 5w-20 to try to increase mpg stats. 5w-30 is probably a better bet with all the heat the turbos create. Just my 2 cents.
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Ford only started using 5w-20 to try to increase mpg stats. 5w-30 is probably a better bet with all the heat the turbos create. Just my 2 cents.
You know I heard that story too. That the 5W-20 was only used to help make EPA standards. I have also heard that the reason the 5W-20 was recommended was because the Triton engines were (are) built with very small tolerances and that the thinner oil circulated and got into bearing spaces quicker then the heavier oil. Don't know if either is true, but I have been using 5W-20 since about 2001 without any oil related problems. But then again, I believe you can't change oil and filter too often. Heck, the Top Fuel and Funny Car guys change after every run!
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Sorry guys but Mobil 1 is not a synthetic oil. It was at one time but went the cheep rout and took you all along for the ride. By law in the US they can call it synthetic but they have to sell the real thing in the rest of the world. Look it up.
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Most Synthetics aren't actually synthetic, but have synthetic additives.
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I think it's BS they can clearly label it "fully synthetic" when it's not!!!
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Mobil1 is no longer a true synthetic:

Mobil sued Castrol for calling their oil a full synthetic. Which according to Mobil it wasn’t a full synthetic like Mobile1 was (at that time). Castrol was not made from a Group IV PAO base stock.

They lost the case, so Mobil decided to start using the cheaper base stock just like Castrol, Pennzoil etc. Why make a real synthetic that costs more money to make than your competition who is charging the same price for their group III fake synthetic?

German Castrol Syntec 0w-30, Amsoil, Redline and Royal Purple are some of the few remaining TRUE synthetics (Group IV). The other Castrol Syntecs, Pennzoil Platinum and now Mobile 1 are not TRUE synthetics. They are hydrocracked Group III oils.
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