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I wanted more up-to-date car reliability information that included actual repair rates. So in late 2005 I started getting people together to make this possible. TrueDelta now updates actual repair frequencies, not just dots, four times a year, to track cars closely as they age.

We've had good participation by Taurus owners, with over 400 signed up. But more 2010s will be needed to provide full results for it. If enough SHO owners participate, I'll provide separate stats for the SHO.

Participants simply report repairs the month after they occur on a one-page survey. When there are no repairs, they simply report an approximate odometer reading four times a year, at the end of each quarter.

To encourage participation, participants receive full access to all results, not just those for the Taurus, for free.

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So, is this like... spam... or what? I'm having a hard time telling... lol
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Old 01-26-2010, 01:28 PM
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Depends on whether you want to make an already tough job tougher, or not.

I'm putting about 70 hours a week into this. Sometimes people opt to help out, and then we get something going. Other times they take a less productive view, and we don't.

We do have quite a few participants in the military. From them I hear life is still far from easy in Iraq, even if we don't hear as much in the news anymore.
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lol I was just giving you crap. I have a finely tuned spam detector (I have friends from hawaii) and this didn't set it off.

And, I'm STILL not in friggin' iraq. I'm still stuck here in purgatory (kuwait). I mean, it's not bad and all, but I'd rather just be there already.

And, I don't do guard towers; I do guard guns. Witness my avatar (click through to my profile for a better pic!)

Edit: Not that it helps any, but if I had a 2010 (or, indeed any car at all right now) I would participate. The only vehicle I ride nowadays is an MRAP, though...

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I gather this is your first tour over there?
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I gather this is your first tour over there?
Yes... and it damn well should be, I'm in the Navy. We're not supposed to be doing this crap.
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They're giving sailors assignments on land now?

Ever stationed in Norfolk? I'm from Virginia Beach. There are some really good Ford dealers in that area.
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mkaresh posts on lots of forums, and collects this data to share with the world on reliability of vehicles.
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They're giving sailors assignments on land now?

Ever stationed in Norfolk? I'm from Virginia Beach. There are some really good Ford dealers in that area.
I can vouch for that, plus there are some not-so-nice dealers too in this area.
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I worked for a Chevrolet dealer down there during the summer of 1986. They had the lowest CSI in the region, and deserved it. The Ford dealer next door, where my best friend worked, was a much better place for both employees and customers.
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mkaresh posts on lots of forums, and collects this data to share with the world on reliability of vehicles.
Thanks for putting a good word in. I want to provide results for all cars, and since most forums focus on a single model...

A few other Taurus forums have been helping out, so I'm a bit surprised only 15 2010s are signed up so far. We have 26 2010s (on top of 95 2009s) for the Flex, and I'm pretty sure the Taurus outsells the Flex by quite a margin.
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And, I'm STILL not in friggin' iraq. I'm still stuck here in purgatory (kuwait). I mean, it's not bad and all, but I'd rather just be there already.
Don't get too excited...it's been 7 years since I've been there, but I really enjoyed the working plumbing at the Doha PX when I re-deployed. After 13 months of crapping in a port-a-potty or a hole in the dirt, it was interesting to watch it just swirl away........

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You ain't livin till you've worn a 33 ton suit of armor equipped with a fully automatic, belt-fed 25mm cannon at your fingertips. Wanna talk piece of mind?
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I can vouch for this gentleman as well.

I believe I have 2 or 3 vehicles registered with him. I do my best to keep up when he sends out his email reminders.

If I can ask what are we suppose to do when we sell a vehicle off.

I'm guessing you still have my 08 Taurus and maybe even a 06- 500.

As of now we still have the 07 Pacifica and now a SHO.
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It's now possible to report cars sold by going to "My Garage" on the site and clicking on the "change status" link.

But if this is from way back, it might be best to just email me with the month/year sold and the models and model years of the new cars.

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http://www.truedelta.com/contact.php
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Now 21 2010s signed up. Better, but more remain needed for a full result in May.

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Now 28. We'll have a partial result for the 2010 Taurus next month, but more participants remain needed for a full result.

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How many do you need to break out an SHO listing?
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At least 25, but in practice at least 40. It's doable.

Unless the powertrain ends up having problems, though, it won't be necessary in the near term.
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We're not able to break out the SHO yet, BUT we will have a full rather than a partial result for the 2010 Taurus this month. Thanks, guys.

Working toward splitting out the SHO, just a matter of getting enough owners involved:

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We have an intial reliability stat for the 2010 Ford Taurus based on owner experiences through March 31, 2010.

With a reported repair rate of 73 repair trips per 100 cars per year, the new Taurus is about average, but not far from "worse than average." This is similar to the results for the related Flex and MKS in their first model year.

A big thank you to everyone who has been helping. We'll have further updates in August and November. The more owners participate, the better the information we can provide.

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So why do I care that 70 some out of 100 cars go to the dealer for something? Is this broken down by incident? I'd not care about reliability if 69 of those are rattles, burned out bulbs, power stuff not working, etc. Now if 69 of those were engine, transmission, brake, suspension, etc. that would be useful.

Merely stating that xxx out of yyy cars needed repairs is useless. Reliability is not "how many trips to the shop" but rather frequency of major issues. If my car rattles it's an issue but it doesn't make it unreliable. If the engine blows that's unreliable.

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Some people are like you, others don't want to have to take the car in for anything beyond routine maintenance.

Few problems these days prevent the car from being driven. I collect the information necessary to separate out severe problems, but we need more participants before it will be possible to post a separate set of stats for these. The more rare something is, the larger the sample size you need to accurately measure it.
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Wonder how many of those people took them in for taillights....
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That's what mine was in for - oil change, rattle, and taillights. Nothing major or anything that would indicate less than stellar reliability.
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All of the repairs reported are posted to the site, under "repair histories." I haven't checked the specifics in this case.

What has been the problem with the tail lights? I gather that it could be common.
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We have an updated reliability stat for the 2010 Ford Taurus based on owner experiences through June 30, 2010.

Other sources of car reliability information won't cover the more recent months until the summer or even fall of next year.

With a reported repair rate of 80 repair trips per 100 cars per year, the new Taurus is about average, but very close to "worse than average."

About half of all reported repairs are for chrome trim peeling off the tail lights--thanks for the tip, wchain.

Thank you, once again, to everyone who has been helping. We'll have further updates in November and February. The more owners participate, the better the information we can provide.

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Starting this month we have a new question to measure, as objectively as possible, the severity of a problem. Many people have been asking for reliability stats that weight problems by how severe they are, and once we have enough responses with the revised survey we'll start providing this.

Also this month: updated reliability stats.

As always, the more owners participate, the better the information we can provide to everyone.

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Starting this month we have a new question to measure, as objectively as possible, the severity of a problem. Many people have been asking for reliability stats that weight problems by how severe they are, and once we have enough responses with the revised survey we'll start providing this.

Also this month: updated reliability stats.

As always, the more owners participate, the better the information we can provide to everyone.

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This website isn't very user friendly, I tried to get to the surveys and it takes me somewhere else in the site...can't say as it has done anything to impress me, since I can't input any information. Probably will not back to it, so information I find there has no validity as far as I'm concerned.
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